Scott B wrote:
>
> Hi Gary,
>
> This is Scott out in San Jose, CA. You were kind enough to
> trade a few eMails with me some months back.
It's not kind, it's self serving actually. The more info there is put
in the public domain about the 10mm, the better off we all are.
> Shortly, I would like to stock up on high quality brass for the 10 mm
> as well as a case or two of factory ammo, one case for home defense
> and one for practice rounds to take to the range. Previously, the
> "factory fodder," which you thought a pro pos for the range was the
> Georgia Arms rounds and Winchester Silvertips for the home--- if I
> recall correctly. I also remember that you leaned strongly towards
> reloading, of course. So, to that end I purchased a Redding ultra mag
> press for my rifle rounds and Harrels powder meausure and am considering
> a Dillon set up for the 10mm, .45, .357 etc.
>
> If I can trouble you again with a couple questions, let me ask you:
>
> 1-What 'hi quality' brass would you stock up on Rem, Federal,
> Winchester..? Is Norma or any other 10 mm brass worth searching, and
> paying, for?
I've been using almost every headstamp there is in 10mm, and I have
lost a LOT to range goblins, and not a single one to cracking.
When I wanted new brass I bought a few thousand Midway and some
Starline that I use for "Barn Burners", and I have a bunch of
once fired Federal Brass, and nickel plated brass that came from a
Federal agency training session locally. These I also load pretty
warm... once. My regular training load is 200 grainers doing
1100 fps or so to keep the brass healthy, also I reserve the
nickel plated brass for my 610 so that I can throw the full
moon clip into the vibratory case cleaner, and have them
clean faster.
The bottom line is that I don't think there is any BAD or even
any poor 10mm brass. It's made FAR better than most cases out
there.
> 2-Is Georgia Arms still the best non reloading, choice for
> taking to the range?
Truthfully I don't know. I don't buy ammo any more.
> 3-If someone put a gun to your head and instructed you to
> purchase the best factory defense around you could find what
> would it be.
It would be Hydra shocks or XTP's (I carry hand loaded XTP's)
and I'd test them IMMEDIATELY on the clown stupid enough to
draw a gun on me :-)
Seriously, there really is no "BEST" handgun round. The
"DATA PROVES" that pre-fragmented ammo kills best (on goats
anyway) and that the same ammo is best for apartment dwellers.
People like me who have concrete block homes, can get away
with heavy JHP's and feel pretty good that a miss will wind
up in the wall. Of course glass windows stop nothing.
Personal defense ammo is a "personal" decision. Some go
real light and fast, others go heavy and fast, others go
prefragmented, while others still go defenseless.
Data is EASILY manipulated, and I generally don't trust
it, unless I take it. Here's why.
There was once a company that sent me a brochure when I worked
at IBM. The company was named some thing like:
The Center For Statistical Analysis
The front cover had this written on it...
FACT, CARROTS LEAD TO WAR, CRIME, DEATH, AND DISEASE!
The first page had only one sentence (paraphrased)
FACT, 96% of ALL soldiers eat carrots.
The Second page had only:
FACT, 92% of ALL the sick people in hospitals, eat... carrots.
The third:
FACT, 100% of all people born before 1845 and who ate carrots
are now DEAD!
The Fifth read,
FACT 96% of all criminals in jail eat carrots.
The page last read...
Silly? Perhaps, but they ARE FACTS!
Our point is that most any conclusion can be drawn
and defended with FACTS. Our company sorts out the
silly from the truth, and reports defensible statistics.
So, with that in mind, I look with a wary eye at statistics
presented by most everyone, because facts can be fabricated.
> 4-Is the best 10 mm Pistol with regard to accuracy, long
> term reliability, and ability to shoot well the Colt Delta
> Elite or a Kimber, Wilson Combat, Caspian Arms, or even
> the Glock?
I don't like ANYTHING about Kimbers any more. Their finish
is horrid, and the price is stupid. Wilson is overpriced,
Caspian, and Colt are nothing special.
Fact... none of them have any LONG TERM reliability improvements
built into the basic 1911 design, and that's cool because none
of them make 10's either :-) If any one of them has a single
secret about long term reliability, I'd like to see it, because
beyond the quality of the metal, they'd be stretching "facts"
if such a claim were made, and also impossible to prove, because
you guessed it, we'll all be dead before the FACTS are known :-)
The basic 1911 is a pretty respectable long mileage gun, unless
it's made with crappy metal. There's a LOT of years proving the
various designs, so any of the above makers will do well in the
long term.
While Glock has proven their utter dependability and reliability
in the near term, the polymer will have to survive over 60
to 70 years to prove (at least to me) that it's as good as steel.
Don't take that statement wrong. Personally I don't give a tinkers
damn if a $500 gun lasts 100 years and increases in value 100x over
the original price. I'm a realist and have no problem with guns
that earn their keep and have a limited life span. God may punish
me for that statement, and after I will my guns to my Son,
it's possible that he will go to College, joins HCI, and gets his
name all over the front pages in the World by dumping all my
cherished guns into the deep blue sea :-)
What a TERRIBLE thought!
> Thank you very much for your insights. I certainly appreciate
> it and your time.
My time is as I regularly say, freely given, and you're welcome.
> btw
> After a year plus of regular use the 'lil Glock G29 has proved
> to be a 'sweet' weapon for the form factor. Great for keeping
> in the fanny pack whilst hiking and it groups 2" at 20yds....
Agreed. For hiking, fishing, and LEO use, it's REALLY hard to
beat.
Regards, Gary
Scott B wrote:
> Gary,
>
> Thank you, for the thoughtful responses. Agreed on the misuse
> stats; How else would the media, politicians,and lawyers remain
> employed?
Statistics and lies are VERY close in nature when used by
people wanting to stretch the "facts"
A Star Trek episode (or movie) once made it appear like Spock
(who could not tell a lie) lied, when asked, "A Lie Mr. Spock?"
He said "No, an... omission"
> Any suggestions where a non firearms instructor might look
> for quality once shot brass or quality surplus? I don't
> exactly have your access to law enforcement agencies.
Actually I don't have "access" to LEO agencies. I root around
at ranges, and ask, ask, ask, if anyone has 10mm brass.
You can check the newsgroups like rec.guns as well as the
firearms web sites. Also call Midway. Believe it or not,
they get once fired brass too.
> btw
> Do you know if anyone in the Military is issued the 10 mm?
> I have heard some rambling about Army Delta....
I know some special ops guys us an H&K MP-5 sub gun in 10mm,
the 10 pistol is a likely sidearm if you have an MP-5 in 10mm
because the old wives thing of scooping up your dead buddies
ammo still persists in logistic circles.
> I will look for a used Delta Elite off the web. www.gunsamerica.com
GunsAmerica is a good starting point.
> Does $500.00 or 600.00 for a used but allegedly 98% or 97%
> Blued Delta Elite sound like an appropriate price?
I would pay it, but the prices on Delta's are getting pretty
stupid (high) here in South Florida.
> Would you be aware of anyone selling theirs?
10mm's sell VERY fast locally, and at pretty high prices.
This makes someone VERY unlikely to go through the trouble
of getting one sent in the mail.
Regards, Gary
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